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	<title>Comments on: Firefox 2 end of life: what about Windows 9x users?</title>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://securityandthe.net/2008/11/16/firefox-2-end-of-life-what-about-windows-9x-users/comment-page-1/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zippy: You can find some nice stats at http://marketshare.hitslink.com/

If you choose browsers -&gt; browser versions from the menu at the left you&#039;ll get the numbers you&#039;re looking for; right now, about 25% of all Firefox users are still on version 2.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zippy: You can find some nice stats at <a href="http://marketshare.hitslink.com/" rel="nofollow">http://marketshare.hitslink.com/</a></p>
<p>If you choose browsers -> browser versions from the menu at the left you&#8217;ll get the numbers you&#8217;re looking for; right now, about 25% of all Firefox users are still on version 2.0</p>
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		<title>By: zippy</title>
		<link>http://securityandthe.net/2008/11/16/firefox-2-end-of-life-what-about-windows-9x-users/comment-page-1/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>zippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone have any stats on the global usage today of Firfox 2.0, trends, etc?  I&#039;ve been googling and can&#039;t locate any good #s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone have any stats on the global usage today of Firfox 2.0, trends, etc?  I&#8217;ve been googling and can&#8217;t locate any good #s.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://securityandthe.net/2008/11/16/firefox-2-end-of-life-what-about-windows-9x-users/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Firefox 2 end of life: what about Windows 9x users?&quot;

What about them?  95, 98, and ME are a terrible design, and should not be used anyway.  Every single 98/ME box I see anyone using is INFESTED with spyware and crap, and barely runs -- they just are afraid to replace it.  As Rob says, I would pump it up to 256MB of RAM and put Ubuntu on; if you can&#039;t then run Xubuntu if you have ~128MB or so, and Damn Small Linux or some other light distro if it&#039;s even less than that.

     OSX?  Well, 10.2 and 10.3 aren&#039;t THAT old, but the way OSX is, in general if you for instance build on 10.4, the app will only run on 10.4 and up.. there&#039;s apparently not anyone with a 10.2/10.3 box to build on I suppose (or it&#039;s missing features firefox now needs.)  Where I work we sell tons of surplus PCs and Macs.. if the Mac isn&#039;t new enough to run 10.4 or 10.5, I have many people see they have Ubuntu for Mac installed and comment &quot;Huh I was going to put that on anyway.&quot;  Personally if I were going to run Ubuntu anyway, I&#039;d just get a PC, but *shrug* they like the Mac hardware even if they aren&#039;t going to run OSX on it.</description>
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<p>What about them?  95, 98, and ME are a terrible design, and should not be used anyway.  Every single 98/ME box I see anyone using is INFESTED with spyware and crap, and barely runs &#8212; they just are afraid to replace it.  As Rob says, I would pump it up to 256MB of RAM and put Ubuntu on; if you can&#8217;t then run Xubuntu if you have ~128MB or so, and Damn Small Linux or some other light distro if it&#8217;s even less than that.</p>
<p>     OSX?  Well, 10.2 and 10.3 aren&#8217;t THAT old, but the way OSX is, in general if you for instance build on 10.4, the app will only run on 10.4 and up.. there&#8217;s apparently not anyone with a 10.2/10.3 box to build on I suppose (or it&#8217;s missing features firefox now needs.)  Where I work we sell tons of surplus PCs and Macs.. if the Mac isn&#8217;t new enough to run 10.4 or 10.5, I have many people see they have Ubuntu for Mac installed and comment &#8220;Huh I was going to put that on anyway.&#8221;  Personally if I were going to run Ubuntu anyway, I&#8217;d just get a PC, but *shrug* they like the Mac hardware even if they aren&#8217;t going to run OSX on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without sounding too arrogant, the decision to not support decade-old, insecure operating systems is a smart move.

It makes no sense to invest time and energy in making an application secure which runs on a platform which has more holes than swiss cheese and/or has had commercial support terminated for the operating system.

The alternatives are:
1. spend a couple of hundred dollars to buy Windows Vista (on existing hardware).  Not the most ideal circumstance.
2. pony up about $500 for a new computer (or buy one this week, on Black Friday for cheaper).
3. purchase a used system from someone with Windows XP or Vista.
4. install one of many distributions of Linux (probably Ubuntu for beginners) on the current hardware or onto a used system obtained from a friend or a discount dealer or a recycler.

Any one of those 4 would lead to a situation where the user could use a modern and secure Firefox.  I like the suggestion of having Opera as an alternative.

Inevitably, the decision leads to a change in the way users experience their computer, and to an extent, that is a good thing.  Technology changes all the time, and it is important for users to maintain a certain level of agility to keep pace with that technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without sounding too arrogant, the decision to not support decade-old, insecure operating systems is a smart move.</p>
<p>It makes no sense to invest time and energy in making an application secure which runs on a platform which has more holes than swiss cheese and/or has had commercial support terminated for the operating system.</p>
<p>The alternatives are:<br />
1. spend a couple of hundred dollars to buy Windows Vista (on existing hardware).  Not the most ideal circumstance.<br />
2. pony up about $500 for a new computer (or buy one this week, on Black Friday for cheaper).<br />
3. purchase a used system from someone with Windows XP or Vista.<br />
4. install one of many distributions of Linux (probably Ubuntu for beginners) on the current hardware or onto a used system obtained from a friend or a discount dealer or a recycler.</p>
<p>Any one of those 4 would lead to a situation where the user could use a modern and secure Firefox.  I like the suggestion of having Opera as an alternative.</p>
<p>Inevitably, the decision leads to a change in the way users experience their computer, and to an extent, that is a good thing.  Technology changes all the time, and it is important for users to maintain a certain level of agility to keep pace with that technology.</p>
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